âsome reflections on the social implications of the various theories for what we think about consciousness, which is as much as to say what we think about who and what we are, inevitably has consequences for how we relate to one another, and to the worldâ
âBut our first problem will be one of definition.â
âRiccardo Manzotti: For most people âconsciousnessâ will have various meanings and include awareness, self-awareness, thinking in language. But for philosophers and neuroscientists the crucial meaning is that of feeling something, having a feeling you might say, or an experience.â
âThe technical term is âphenomenal experience,â or again âconscious experience,â but frankly both sound a tad redundant since experience is always something we feel.â
âParks: I remember David Chalmers, a philosopher weâll no doubt be talking about at some point, defining consciousness as an internal flow of images, âa movie playing inside your head,â and probably a lot of people would agree with him. But you want to stick to something more basic.â
âManzotti: A definition like that suggests that we know a lot more than we do: that there are images in our heads, that they move forward in sequence, that there is some kind of split between the image and someone (who?) observing the image. Itâs all very problematic.â
âThe truth is that we do not know what consciousness is. Thatâs why weâre talking about it as a problem. What we do know is that the way we experience reality, I mean that we feel the things that happen to us, does not really match up with our current scientific picture of the physical world.â
âitâs not easy to see how the physical activity of the neurons explains my experience of the sky, let alone a process like thinking.â
âManzotti: Exactly. Instead of a world where we merely interact with external occurrencesâthe way a flower opens in the sun, or water freezes in the coldâwe also have experience of the occurrence, the sun, the icy weather, and so on.â
âThis addition of experience (or in future we may want to suggest that experience and occurrence are one!) would be puzzling enough in itself. But it is even more puzzling that experience is usually described as experience of something else, of something that is not me. I experience a red apple. You experience a piece of music. Ruth experiences a landscape. How is this possible since, if we leave aside quantum mechanics (for the moment), our traditional view of nature tells us that an object is what it is and nothing more?â
âWilliam James put this very clearly when he asked, How can the room I am sitting in be simultaneously out there and, as it were, inside my head, my experience? We still have no answer to that question.â
âParks: So another way we could look at this would be to say that the fact of consciousness points to a flaw in our explanation of reality. Or at least amounts to a big challenge as to how we understand reality.â
âManzotti: Right. Once we have defined and placed all the pieces of the physical jigsawâchemistry, physics, evolution, general relativity, quantum mechanics, DNA, evolution, Higgs Boson, the lotâthere is still something that does not add upânamely the fact that we donât simply do things, we also experience the world around us. Consciousness. What David Chalmers famously called the hard problem.â
âManzotti: No. Why doesnât our behavior simply happen, taking its course the way the planets follow their orbits? We donât know. Just as cosmologists donât know what dark matter is. All we know is that there is something that doesnât add up and very likely points to some profound error in our assumptions about reality. Thatâs what we should be concentrating on, rather than getting into elaborate and suggestive metaphors like âmovies in the head.ââ
âManzotti: To speak of spirits and souls would amount to an admission of defeat, at least for a scientist or philosopher. The truth is that we just donât know a priori the nature of physical reality. This is a point Bertrand Russell made very strongly back in the 1920s. The more we investigate the physical, the more varied and complex it appears. Imagine a huge puzzle in which everything must fit together with everything else. When thereâs something that doesnât seem to match up, we turn it this way and that to see if we can make it fit somehow, but if it wonât, we have to assume that weâve put the other pieces together wrongly, weâve got a false picture.â
âThatâs how science proceeds. So we have moments of revolutionâCopernicus, Galileo, Newtonâwhen all the pieces have to be rearranged, what Thomas Kuhn famously described as paradigm shifts.â
âThereâs no reason why we should approach the problem of consciousness any differently. We have to find how to fit it into our existing understanding of reality, or change our version of reality to have it fit in with consciousness. Until we do that, we risk having a dualistic vision of the world, like the one suggested by Descartes, on the one side the physical, on the other something rather mysterious, call it the spiritual.â
âManzotti: Well, if the world that surrounds us is made of things, objects, and physical processes, consciousness is likely to be one of them. People tend to be extremely hesitant when approaching consciousness and to treat it as a special case. But Iâm not sure thatâs helpful. If it is a real phenomenon, and most people agree that it is, why shouldnât it be like all other physical phenomena, something made of matter and energy whose activity is explicable by its physical properties?â
âParks: So, assuming consciousness is a thing, a physical thing, or an amalgam of things, what do we do with the word âmentalâ?â
âManzotti: Good question! Actually âmentalâ isnât so different, at least as regards its function, from a word like âspiritual.â Neither word has a precise referent. Iâm afraid weâre going to run into a lot of words like this in the course of these conversations. Itâs as if certain terms we use had been given a special license to operate outside the constraints of the physical world.â
âThe philosopher Sidney Shoemaker observed that the notion of the âmentalâ amounts to a kind of ontological dustbin. Anything that doesnât fit with our current picture of physical reality is moved to the bin whose main purpose is to collect together all the things we canât explain. Itâs a sort of quiet dualism: you donât say the word âspirit,â but in fact youâre splitting the world in two.â
âManzotti: Absolutely. There are good reasons to be fond of a notion like âthe mental,â because it places our minds above the constraints of physical necessity. Itâs a comforting idea. We are above nature. We are special. We have our mental lives. Separate from the nitty-gritty of matter. Unfortunately, we have no scientific justification for this belief, which is very likely just another manifestation of what Freud described as human narcissism, the desire to believe ourselves at once at the center of the universe, yet in some way superior to and even separate from the nature around us.â
âHow convenient, when you canât explain something, to say, well, that means weâre special, weâre not like the rest of the natural world. But science works on the assumption that nature is one and that all phenomena must fit in the same system and obey the same laws; hence the fact that we experience the worldâi.e., consciousnessâmust be a natural phenomenon which, like all other natural phenomena, is physical, I mean made of matter and energy.â
âParks: This brings us, I think, to the dominant view of what consciousness is today: internalism. Can you explain?â
âManzotti: Internalism is the notion that whatever consciousness is, it must happen inside the head. Itâs fairly obvious why we might think this. We tend to feel that we are located where our senses are; hence people suppose that consciousness is somewhere behind our eyes and between our ears. This not to mention the many social reasons for identifying with our bodies in general and our faces in particular, which are crucial to social interaction. And since of course we canât see consciousness in another person, but only manifestations of itâsmiles, grimacesâwe assume it is hidden inside the head, that is, in the brain. Since, again, the brain is by far the most complex of our organs, with something like 85 billion neurons, all with hundreds if not thousands of connections to other neurons, it seems a reasonable candidate when youâre looking for something you donât understand. Or it did seem so when we knew less about it.â
âParks: I know you have strong objections to internalism and can feel you straining at the leash to express them. But letâs first establish exactly what the theory is and what it claims. For example, does internalism claim that consciousness is a physical object located in space?â
âManzotti: There are many strands to internalism, but on the whole, and certainly initially, yes. The idea was formalized in the 1950s by people like David Armstrong and J.J.C. Smart. They advanced the idea that consciousness is neural processes, or certain neural processes.â
âOnce theyâd formed this perfectly respectable hypothesis an army of scientists set about verifying it empirically. And in fact, over the past fifty years weâve made extraordinary progress in the development of sophisticated instruments to probe and explore the brain with all its fantastically intricate electrical and chemical activity.â
âManzotti: Well, neuroscientists have certainly found a huge number of correlates of consciousness; that is, for all kinds of sensory experiences they have established which parts of the brain are active, and the nature of that activity. This is of enormous interest and scientifically very sound.â
âManzotti: Well, a correlate of consciousness is not consciousness. When scientists look for AIDS or DNA, they look for the thing itself, not a mere correlate. This is a problem: how to get from the neural correlateâthe fact that thereâs neural activity when I experience somethingâto the thing itself, the experience?â
âAs Bertrand Russell almost facetiously put it, when one licks chocolate ice-cream nothing in the brain tastes like chocolate. Of course an experience also has correlates outside the brain: the sensory organsâeyes, ears, nose, skin, tastebudsânot to mention the object itself that we experience, light, soundwaves, that chocolate ice-cream, whatever. Why privilege the correlates in the brain in our attempt to locate consciousness?â
âNext time, Iâd like to consider some of the claims of internalism, their implications for our current scientific account of reality, and the way internalists have reacted to their difficulties verifying their theory. Because they certainly havenât given up. Far from it. So be prepared!â
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